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Should we hold bad leaders internationally accountable?

Posted on June 28, 2014 by Khannea Sun'Tzu

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Badly managed countries inflict damage on their neighbors. We can’t hold countries accountable for callous disregard for their own people and land, but we can file complaints as soon as the faulty policies cross borders.

One such consequence is mass-migration. As you can read from this article migration is increasing. The people doing the migrating aren’t really responsible. By and large migrating people are so desperate that effectively starting out in another country with barely the clothes on your back is a better alternative than not. I can’t find moral arguments to blame people who do that, but I still want to not suffer the negative consequences of mass-migration. I do not want to live in my country being flooded by desperate people. In an ideal world I want people to not be desperate, but if people are ending up desperate I want them to not come to where I live.

Since we can’t and shouldn’t penalize the truly desperate, we must look at other means to de-incentivize mass migration. The next step to force badly managed countries to make sure their desperate refugees don’t go around bother other countries is to somehow penalize these countries.

Rich countries can (and should) be penalized for exporting bad consequences of flawed policies. If a particular country dumps toxic waste down river and another country downstream experienced the negative consequences of a dirty river, then there is a clear accountability risk. Likewise, if a country manages its business badly, and people decide to migrate out to other countries to find better opportunities, and that migration causes unambigious problems, then there is a case of attributable mismanagement.

Most countries that produce a significant amount of desperate migrants are poor. We can not penalize these countries by having some rich nation country imposing fines. If for instance some middle american has such awful conditions that routinely its people travel to the United States, then the US can not effectively penalize these same middle american countries with fines or retalliatory policies. Fining will aggravate economic conditions in the desperatized country, in effect adding to the problem.

There is however another option.

We can hold bad leaders internationally accountable for exported negative consequences of any kind. If an African country is managed so ghastly that it produces a constant torrent of emigrees, the leaders of those countries can be argued to be morally culpable. If instead a war caused these migrants, the parties in the conflict must be held accountable on a per migrant rate.

Yes, that means the United States, having arguable triggered particularly severe migrant streams, might be subject to a claim. Since the US is a very affluent country, such a claim would be a monetary claim for singlehandedly triggering problems on account of arguably bad policies. The cost of waging war should reflect the cost of the consequences of waging war (humanitarian efforts, cleaning up the mess, if you break it you pay for it).

Migration is set to become steadily worse, and most of the migration of the future is set to be triggered by corruption, bad land management, social disparity and the effects of climate change. Imagine a modest flooding pushing out a few million Bangladeshi and trigger a mass migration of truly desperate people. These people ideally are facilitated a decent life in their country of origin, and clearly the world community should lend a hand to make that happen.

But proven bad policies of politicians should come with consequences. I am thinking about corruption, racism, religious persecution, incompetence, self-serving policies, extremism but there may be a host of other reasons for bad choices. If a politician can be held accountable, then the international community needs the legal instruments to go a after a politician, be able to find truth, and present that truth in an international court of law. These politicians may have assets in other countries and an international court should be able to bill the guilty for their flawed choices.

The end result is wellbeing of people. All to often countries have unsustainably high birth rates. It is no secret that I personally prefer sharply reduced birth rates world wide. I want people to live happy, prosperous lives and for me already large populations with high birth rates is a recipe for widespread misery.

And that brings me to the final (and potentially inflammatory) statement on this topic – if mass migration of people is triggered by unsustainably high birth rates, and bad economic conditions then particular countries should come to a national debate on the consequences of these choices. If lack of opportunity and overpopulation and unsustainably high birth rates produce an outward exodus of migrants, then the country must be forced to reflect on its lousy policies. The rest of the world can not end up a dumping ground for desperate people – and in that case the international community must have access to legal tools to penalize offending countries and its decission-makers. Send these countries the bill for every migrant that ends up bothering other countries. If the countries can’t afford the bill, send out an arrest warrant to the politicians who made the bad choices (in the past or present) and throw them in jail.

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1 thought on “Should we hold bad leaders internationally accountable?”

  1. Khannea Suntzu says:
    June 28, 2014 at 15:01

    > A – An article on international culpability that doesn’t
    > mention the Hague or the International Criminal Court is odd

    I don’t think the Hague is an automatic/implicit vessel for these courts, since the US has aggressively refused to sign the ICC treaties. The US openly leverages the international court but it regards itself not bound. China of course ditto. I lived 200 meters from the International Court, and from what I have seen I have trouble taking it serious.

    > B – Holding leaders accountable for gross human Rights abuses
    > is more immediately plausible than for economic policies that may
    > have adverse effects (what economic policy doesn’t adversely
    > effect someone?)

    ​I agree, but we live in ​a world where very large countries do not regard “human rights” as having any relevance. I also regard the current charter of human rights to be woefully inadequate. I would love to trigger a landslide of law suits against people and countries “who dump”, but I am mostly using popular sentiments to get somewhere. Migration is regarded as an issue, so if I can use the ‘wicked’ to leverage some ‘good’ I will.

    > C – Focusing on migration gives the piece a cast of xenophobia –
    > “Whoever made all these poor people come to my country should pay”

    ​My agenda ​is not to force poor countries to pay – my goal is to create an infrastructure were leaders of all countries become personally concerned to lead badly and have these negative consequences trickle outwards. Of course you know that my subsidiary agenda is to reduce population growth by the most effectively peaceful means available.

    Note – body of these laws could easily hold Italians accountable for dumping radioactive waste off the coast of Somalia, and triggering exodus of Somalians as well as Somalian cape piracy. I want to argue legal framework in place for dumping negative consequences to stop. In this particular case Italian politicians might be regarded as culpable.

    Plus I really think mass migration is the one thing that can most quickest destroy human civilization on the planet. It almost immediately triggers all the most negative ape brain tendencies in the species. Mass migration and refugee streams are toxic. Ideally I want to not have people want to migrate, especially in large numbers. But since it will happen anyway, I am proposing a silver bullet solution – punish those who can be proven to be directly responsible. In most cases that will mean, freeze bank accounts of asshat politicians and their immediate family members.

    Note that this more than often are rich countries. I didn’t outright want to say this in the article. But yah now you bring it up.

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